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		<title>By: Nicole Kelly</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/08/gossip-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-1371</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes you wonder even more about the myth of monogamy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes you wonder even more about the myth of monogamy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: badinfluencegirl</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/08/gossip-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-1370</link>
		<dc:creator>badinfluencegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i often feel like the american public has been done a gross disservice by their media.  they&#039;re not great here in canada but they&#039;re better it seems.  i feel that the stories are a little less biased [except the usa bashing which really pisses me off.  you can diss the bits of the politics you don&#039;t like but not the whole place] and that there is a little less combat involved in discourse.

it&#039;s not (yet!) treason here if you disagree with the public policy on an inflammatory issue.

i think that all this celebrity baby/politician affair/xxx divorce/ etc stuff still has a place but it doesn&#039;t need to have the prominence it does.  the front and centreness of the candy.

that said, i get incredibly angry when i am watching fluff television and they cut to really violent newsbites with no warning whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i often feel like the american public has been done a gross disservice by their media.  they&#8217;re not great here in canada but they&#8217;re better it seems.  i feel that the stories are a little less biased [except the usa bashing which really pisses me off.  you can diss the bits of the politics you don't like but not the whole place] and that there is a little less combat involved in discourse.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s not (yet!) treason here if you disagree with the public policy on an inflammatory issue.</p>
<p>i think that all this celebrity baby/politician affair/xxx divorce/ etc stuff still has a place but it doesn&#8217;t need to have the prominence it does.  the front and centreness of the candy.</p>
<p>that said, i get incredibly angry when i am watching fluff television and they cut to really violent newsbites with no warning whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Athena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole issue has made me quite sad, but I agree with you, it&#039;s not up to us, it&#039;s not my place, and honestly, while I feel sorry for all involved, I have no part to play in the story. Seeing him fall does not make me feel any better, nor does it change my mind about his politics.  I often wish I were back in england, where a good cheating scandal almost seemed to help an official.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole issue has made me quite sad, but I agree with you, it&#8217;s not up to us, it&#8217;s not my place, and honestly, while I feel sorry for all involved, I have no part to play in the story. Seeing him fall does not make me feel any better, nor does it change my mind about his politics.  I often wish I were back in england, where a good cheating scandal almost seemed to help an official.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/08/gossip-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-1368</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, they&#039;re together. But have they resolved it? With more revelations coming out each day that prove that JE is still lying, that&#039;s hard to say. The New York Times is now on the hunt, and other outlets are as well. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, they&#8217;re together. But have they resolved it? With more revelations coming out each day that prove that JE is still lying, that&#8217;s hard to say. The New York Times is now on the hunt, and other outlets are as well. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re absolutely wrong, deb.  i find that response quite satisfying.  we often complain about things in the collective; forgetting that it actually comes down to individuals making decisions and other individuals responding to those decisions.

i will say that i&#039;d probably rather read the paper you&#039;d edit as opposed to one filled with stories about politicians&#039; sex lives.  although, i wouldn&#039;t want to see a story like the edwards one completely ignored.  it ought to be put ought there for people to make up their own mind; it just doesn&#039;t need quite the amount of attention that comes with having a million 24 hour news programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re absolutely wrong, deb.  i find that response quite satisfying.  we often complain about things in the collective; forgetting that it actually comes down to individuals making decisions and other individuals responding to those decisions.</p>
<p>i will say that i&#8217;d probably rather read the paper you&#8217;d edit as opposed to one filled with stories about politicians&#8217; sex lives.  although, i wouldn&#8217;t want to see a story like the edwards one completely ignored.  it ought to be put ought there for people to make up their own mind; it just doesn&#8217;t need quite the amount of attention that comes with having a million 24 hour news programs.</p>
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		<title>By: debauchette</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/08/gossip-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-1366</link>
		<dc:creator>debauchette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt I&#039;ll be able to give a satisfying response because it&#039;s a complex issue.  The question here, as I see it, is &#039;what qualifies as a story?&#039;

There are, in theory, millions of potential stories all competing for our very limited attention. The judgment call, to my mind, is whether one story should be favored over another for space and attention.  If the competition is between the cover-up of one man&#039;s sex life and a cover-up related to the Iraq War, I&#039;d go with the latter.  But if I wanted to sell more copies or get more pageviews, I&#039;d go straight to Edwards&#039; admitted indiscretions, which have all the makings of a Lifetime movie (virtuous wife, caddish husband, oddly named mistress, the term &#039;baby daddy,&#039; and a finale of abject contrition).

So, yes, if I were an editor at the Times, I&#039;d probably do a poor job.  But I do take your point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt I&#8217;ll be able to give a satisfying response because it&#8217;s a complex issue.  The question here, as I see it, is &#8216;what qualifies as a story?&#8217;</p>
<p>There are, in theory, millions of potential stories all competing for our very limited attention. The judgment call, to my mind, is whether one story should be favored over another for space and attention.  If the competition is between the cover-up of one man&#8217;s sex life and a cover-up related to the Iraq War, I&#8217;d go with the latter.  But if I wanted to sell more copies or get more pageviews, I&#8217;d go straight to Edwards&#8217; admitted indiscretions, which have all the makings of a Lifetime movie (virtuous wife, caddish husband, oddly named mistress, the term &#8216;baby daddy,&#8217; and a finale of abject contrition).</p>
<p>So, yes, if I were an editor at the Times, I&#8217;d probably do a poor job.  But I do take your point.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have to admit that i find your response somehwat less than satisfying.  yes, the media act as gatekeepers. they are the ones doing the reporting, doing the writing, publishing the papers and producing the news broadcasts.

is there more coverage of things like the edwards affair than i would care to see?  yes.  i would much rather the media treated us like reasonable adults than sixth-graders gossiping in homeroom.  but the question is:  what&#039;s an individual reporter to do?  if you were an editor at the new york times would you just refuse to print this story?  if you&#039;re answer is yes, i would have to say that you&#039;d be doing your job poorly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have to admit that i find your response somehwat less than satisfying.  yes, the media act as gatekeepers. they are the ones doing the reporting, doing the writing, publishing the papers and producing the news broadcasts.</p>
<p>is there more coverage of things like the edwards affair than i would care to see?  yes.  i would much rather the media treated us like reasonable adults than sixth-graders gossiping in homeroom.  but the question is:  what&#8217;s an individual reporter to do?  if you were an editor at the new york times would you just refuse to print this story?  if you&#8217;re answer is yes, i would have to say that you&#8217;d be doing your job poorly.</p>
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		<title>By: debauchette</title>
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		<dc:creator>debauchette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, I agree with the former.  Double-edged sword.

My concern is with the press coverage, seeing how it tends to sharpen the blade.  You wrote, &quot;Would you rather live in a world where journalists made the decisions about what the public should and shouldn&#039;t know?&quot;  My response is that we already do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, I agree with the former.  Double-edged sword.</p>
<p>My concern is with the press coverage, seeing how it tends to sharpen the blade.  You wrote, &#8220;Would you rather live in a world where journalists made the decisions about what the public should and shouldn&#8217;t know?&#8221;  My response is that we already do.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>debauch, there are two different issues at work here.  the first is whether or not john edwards&#039; affair is politically important.  i disagree with the idea that we get &quot;collective boners&quot;.  this is a nation of 300 million people; each of whom cares about john edwards personal life to a different degree.  that&#039;s democracy.  you vote for who you want based on whatever you want; whether it be a politician&#039;s stand on abortion, on tax rates, or on what color ties she wears.  it&#039;s part of the double-edged sword of living in a free society.

the other issue is press coverage.  maybe it sems that &quot;we&quot; are obsessed with john edwards public life, but that&#039;s just because if there&#039;s a story then most media is going to cover it.  it&#039;s their job.  the minute there is information that someone who once had a decent shot at getting the democratic presidential nominee had an affair with a staffer, and may have a child with that staffer, the press is going to cover it.  would you rather live in a world where journalists made the decisions about what the public should and shouldn&#039;t know?  it may be unpleasant, but the alternative is much more so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>debauch, there are two different issues at work here.  the first is whether or not john edwards&#8217; affair is politically important.  i disagree with the idea that we get &#8220;collective boners&#8221;.  this is a nation of 300 million people; each of whom cares about john edwards personal life to a different degree.  that&#8217;s democracy.  you vote for who you want based on whatever you want; whether it be a politician&#8217;s stand on abortion, on tax rates, or on what color ties she wears.  it&#8217;s part of the double-edged sword of living in a free society.</p>
<p>the other issue is press coverage.  maybe it sems that &#8220;we&#8221; are obsessed with john edwards public life, but that&#8217;s just because if there&#8217;s a story then most media is going to cover it.  it&#8217;s their job.  the minute there is information that someone who once had a decent shot at getting the democratic presidential nominee had an affair with a staffer, and may have a child with that staffer, the press is going to cover it.  would you rather live in a world where journalists made the decisions about what the public should and shouldn&#8217;t know?  it may be unpleasant, but the alternative is much more so.</p>
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		<title>By: debauchette</title>
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		<dc:creator>debauchette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things.

First, he resolved it with his wife.  Does that mean his marriage was a sham?  To my mind, the survival of his marriage is a clear indication that it was strong in other areas.  Some relationships survive this sort of betrayal, others don&#039;t.  And whether it&#039;s one or the other is up to the people involved.

Second, shouldn&#039;t there be a distinction between a desire to shield a (complicated) private life from the press and, say, a politician&#039;s lies about his voting record?  I&#039;d rather save the word &#039;disdain&#039; for times when, say, a hurricane hits New Orleans and the president can&#039;t be bothered to respond to the disaster.  That, to me, is real disdain for the public.  Not some politician&#039;s clumsy attempts to conceal the fact he diddled the videographer.

And I do think that&#039;s important, saving our anger for the things that are truly unforgivable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things.</p>
<p>First, he resolved it with his wife.  Does that mean his marriage was a sham?  To my mind, the survival of his marriage is a clear indication that it was strong in other areas.  Some relationships survive this sort of betrayal, others don&#8217;t.  And whether it&#8217;s one or the other is up to the people involved.</p>
<p>Second, shouldn&#8217;t there be a distinction between a desire to shield a (complicated) private life from the press and, say, a politician&#8217;s lies about his voting record?  I&#8217;d rather save the word &#8216;disdain&#8217; for times when, say, a hurricane hits New Orleans and the president can&#8217;t be bothered to respond to the disaster.  That, to me, is real disdain for the public.  Not some politician&#8217;s clumsy attempts to conceal the fact he diddled the videographer.</p>
<p>And I do think that&#8217;s important, saving our anger for the things that are truly unforgivable.</p>
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