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		<title>By: Diana of Calgary</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/06/dave-elms/comment-page-1/#comment-1156</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana of Calgary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobolink, the prostitution laws in Canada were once described as &quot;bizarre&quot; by a judge. It is not illegal to be a prostitute, but it is difficult to engage in a commercial sex business without breaking one of the prostitution laws. The prohibitions include: 1) soliciting for the purpose of prostitution in a public place, 2) keeping a common bawdy-house (aka brothel), 3) living off the &#039;avails&#039; of prostitution, and 4) procuring.

These laws were originally drafted to give law enforcement the means to control street prostitution, pimping, and the operation of prostitution rings by organized crime. However, law enforcement can and do use these laws to charge escorts and escort agencies.

In Canada, independent escorts can (and do) avoid the solicitation charge by only discussing and conducting sexual commerce in private (a residence, hotel room, by telephone or by email). Escort agencies run a greater risk of being charged and convicted with living off the &#039;avails&#039; if it is proved that their escorts are engaging in prostitution and they are collecting fees from prostitution activities. Agencies are also vulnerable to the procuring charge which is heavily sanctioned if underage escorts are employed. An independent escort can live off her earnings without fear of the &#039;avails&#039; charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobolink, the prostitution laws in Canada were once described as &#8220;bizarre&#8221; by a judge. It is not illegal to be a prostitute, but it is difficult to engage in a commercial sex business without breaking one of the prostitution laws. The prohibitions include: 1) soliciting for the purpose of prostitution in a public place, 2) keeping a common bawdy-house (aka brothel), 3) living off the &#8216;avails&#8217; of prostitution, and 4) procuring.</p>
<p>These laws were originally drafted to give law enforcement the means to control street prostitution, pimping, and the operation of prostitution rings by organized crime. However, law enforcement can and do use these laws to charge escorts and escort agencies.</p>
<p>In Canada, independent escorts can (and do) avoid the solicitation charge by only discussing and conducting sexual commerce in private (a residence, hotel room, by telephone or by email). Escort agencies run a greater risk of being charged and convicted with living off the &#8216;avails&#8217; if it is proved that their escorts are engaging in prostitution and they are collecting fees from prostitution activities. Agencies are also vulnerable to the procuring charge which is heavily sanctioned if underage escorts are employed. An independent escort can live off her earnings without fear of the &#8216;avails&#8217; charge.</p>
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		<title>By: Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 5th Feminist Carnival of Sexual Freedom and Autonomy</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/06/dave-elms/comment-page-1/#comment-1155</link>
		<dc:creator>Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 5th Feminist Carnival of Sexual Freedom and Autonomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Debauchette describes her own experiences with The Erotic Review. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: chicagodiva</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/06/dave-elms/comment-page-1/#comment-1154</link>
		<dc:creator>chicagodiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Elms is getting everything he deserves. He developed a site for reveiwing the providers that started out cute and entertaining at first and turned into a huge opportunity to treat women like trash. I had several reviews up on TER and almost all of them where great. I had several clients tell me that they had submitted reviews to TER only to find out that they had been changed or totally erased. On many occassions I would post on the TER board to solicite new clients and would have negative post placed under it each and every time. One client tried to stick up for me and was banned and then TER accused us of self posting. I had no clue who this cleint was but negative rumors where spread that all the clients where comments from me. In addition all my reviews where removed from the site. I for one am sick of this site and the negative publicity it gives to providers for standing up for themselves. In addition, its even more sick and disgusting to know that this man has extorted sex from women to stay on the board. The other part is that women in the business need to stop letting guys like this gain so much power that we don&#039;t control our own bodies and destinies. I feel men should not rely on this site for reviews and expectations for service, because many of the girls that have good reviews only have them because they have given away free sex to clients or the owners of TER. Please stop giving TER the power to control you business</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Elms is getting everything he deserves. He developed a site for reveiwing the providers that started out cute and entertaining at first and turned into a huge opportunity to treat women like trash. I had several reviews up on TER and almost all of them where great. I had several clients tell me that they had submitted reviews to TER only to find out that they had been changed or totally erased. On many occassions I would post on the TER board to solicite new clients and would have negative post placed under it each and every time. One client tried to stick up for me and was banned and then TER accused us of self posting. I had no clue who this cleint was but negative rumors where spread that all the clients where comments from me. In addition all my reviews where removed from the site. I for one am sick of this site and the negative publicity it gives to providers for standing up for themselves. In addition, its even more sick and disgusting to know that this man has extorted sex from women to stay on the board. The other part is that women in the business need to stop letting guys like this gain so much power that we don&#8217;t control our own bodies and destinies. I feel men should not rely on this site for reviews and expectations for service, because many of the girls that have good reviews only have them because they have given away free sex to clients or the owners of TER. Please stop giving TER the power to control you business</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist Law Professors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pimp Empowerment</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/06/dave-elms/comment-page-1/#comment-1153</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminist Law Professors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pimp Empowerment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to add: There is harsh criticism of Elms by a blogger who claims to work in the sex industry here, which I found via a very nauseatingly &#8220;tee hee&#8221; description of Elms&#8217; site as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to add: There is harsh criticism of Elms by a blogger who claims to work in the sex industry here, which I found via a very nauseatingly &#8220;tee hee&#8221; description of Elms&#8217; site as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Disconnected</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/06/dave-elms/comment-page-1/#comment-1152</link>
		<dc:creator>Disconnected</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know about Canadian law, but Bobolink is correct - in Sweden it&#039;s illegal to buy but not to sell sexual services.

However, before anyone draws conclusions or anything else, any sex work, including exotic dancing, is immensely stigmatized in Sweden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know about Canadian law, but Bobolink is correct &#8211; in Sweden it&#8217;s illegal to buy but not to sell sexual services.</p>
<p>However, before anyone draws conclusions or anything else, any sex work, including exotic dancing, is immensely stigmatized in Sweden.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobolink</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/06/dave-elms/comment-page-1/#comment-1151</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobolink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Badinfluencegirl, I think you are confusing Canadian law with Swedish law where it is, illegal to be a john. Prostitutes operate openly, but discretely, in Canada which is sufficient to satisfy the &quot;communicating for the purposes of prostitution&quot; section of our law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Badinfluencegirl, I think you are confusing Canadian law with Swedish law where it is, illegal to be a john. Prostitutes operate openly, but discretely, in Canada which is sufficient to satisfy the &#8220;communicating for the purposes of prostitution&#8221; section of our law.</p>
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		<title>By: Junkbuzzed: sex, lies, and .jpgs</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/06/dave-elms/comment-page-1/#comment-1147</link>
		<dc:creator>Junkbuzzed: sex, lies, and .jpgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Debauchette has the disquieting tale of Dave Elms, he of TheEroticReview. As someone who was at one time involved in the world of sex-work, I heard some of the same stories as Debauchette. This is a must-read. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Debauchette has the disquieting tale of Dave Elms, he of TheEroticReview. As someone who was at one time involved in the world of sex-work, I heard some of the same stories as Debauchette. This is a must-read. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sandi</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/06/dave-elms/comment-page-1/#comment-1146</link>
		<dc:creator>sandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see it legalized to limit this kind of seclusion and victimization of women.  This bothers me greatly that this can happen to women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to see it legalized to limit this kind of seclusion and victimization of women.  This bothers me greatly that this can happen to women.</p>
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		<title>By: Bree</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/06/dave-elms/comment-page-1/#comment-1150</link>
		<dc:creator>Bree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, we do not live in Canada.

What can be done?  As long as men and women continue to patronize and promote TER, either by paying for subscriptions, submitting reviews, or using it as a marketing tool, it will continue to wield the power that it does.

As of this morning, the message boards over there had been pruned of the few mentions made of the NYT article. But the comments were telling. There was no outrage.  There was no &quot;Gee, maybe we shouldn&#039;t be lining the pockets of a freebasing rapist.&quot;. Instead, there were statements dismissing the NYT&#039;s journalistic mettle.

There is an undeniably ugly side to this business, consisting of men who are misogynists to the core and don&#039;t see prostitutes as human beings. I&#039;m all in favor of decriminalization, but the seamier aspects of the business of prostitution are too often glossed over by activists. This troubles me greatly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, we do not live in Canada.</p>
<p>What can be done?  As long as men and women continue to patronize and promote TER, either by paying for subscriptions, submitting reviews, or using it as a marketing tool, it will continue to wield the power that it does.</p>
<p>As of this morning, the message boards over there had been pruned of the few mentions made of the NYT article. But the comments were telling. There was no outrage.  There was no &#8220;Gee, maybe we shouldn&#8217;t be lining the pockets of a freebasing rapist.&#8221;. Instead, there were statements dismissing the NYT&#8217;s journalistic mettle.</p>
<p>There is an undeniably ugly side to this business, consisting of men who are misogynists to the core and don&#8217;t see prostitutes as human beings. I&#8217;m all in favor of decriminalization, but the seamier aspects of the business of prostitution are too often glossed over by activists. This troubles me greatly.</p>
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		<title>By: badinfluencegirl</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2008/06/dave-elms/comment-page-1/#comment-1149</link>
		<dc:creator>badinfluencegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bobo i thought it was legal to SELL sex but not legal to BUY it

or something like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bobo i thought it was legal to SELL sex but not legal to BUY it</p>
<p>or something like that&#8230;</p>
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