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		<title>By: Curious</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2007/12/boys-and-pornography-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-2477</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>w.o.w

this article actually screamed out at me as soon as I read it. As old as it may be, I have only just started reading your blogs &amp; something hit me when I was engaged in this one.

The guy I am seeing asked me the other week, in our first sexual encounter together, if he could &quot;come on my face&quot;. To be honest I was shocked &amp; had no idea where it came from.

After reading this I realise, Porn was the answer.
I couldn&#039;t resist commenting.</description>
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<p>this article actually screamed out at me as soon as I read it. As old as it may be, I have only just started reading your blogs &amp; something hit me when I was engaged in this one.</p>
<p>The guy I am seeing asked me the other week, in our first sexual encounter together, if he could &#8220;come on my face&#8221;. To be honest I was shocked &amp; had no idea where it came from.</p>
<p>After reading this I realise, Porn was the answer.<br />
I couldn&#8217;t resist commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamey</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2007/12/boys-and-pornography-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall hearing Larry Flynt make the remark that there are two types of people in the world:  those who like porn, and those who haven&#039;t seen good porn.  I would like to follow that up with a quote from Susie Bright:  If you don&#039;t like the porn you&#039;ve seen, make your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall hearing Larry Flynt make the remark that there are two types of people in the world:  those who like porn, and those who haven&#8217;t seen good porn.  I would like to follow that up with a quote from Susie Bright:  If you don&#8217;t like the porn you&#8217;ve seen, make your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor M</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2007/12/boys-and-pornography-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tara-- thanks. Look also for Veronika Rocket&#039;s &quot;Smoker&quot; and Rinse Dream&#039;s &quot;Cafe Flesh&quot;... also his soft-core &quot;Dr. Caligari&quot; and &quot;Nightdreams&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara&#8211; thanks. Look also for Veronika Rocket&#8217;s &#8220;Smoker&#8221; and Rinse Dream&#8217;s &#8220;Cafe Flesh&#8221;&#8230; also his soft-core &#8220;Dr. Caligari&#8221; and &#8220;Nightdreams&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2007/12/boys-and-pornography-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Doctor  I&#039;m currently seeking the titles you suggested in your post,  I can&#039;t wait to curl up on my sofa with some surrealist porn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Doctor  I&#8217;m currently seeking the titles you suggested in your post,  I can&#8217;t wait to curl up on my sofa with some surrealist porn!</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor M</title>
		<link>http://debauchette.com/2007/12/boys-and-pornography-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Tara--- try Rinse Dream&#039;s surrealist porn, or the early Andrew Blake. Blake&#039;s &quot;Secrets&quot; and &quot;House of Dreams&quot; are eeie-beautiful. Try &quot;Party Girls a Go Go&quot; 1 &amp; 2--- porn with a wicked sense of deadpan surreal style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Tara&#8212; try Rinse Dream&#8217;s surrealist porn, or the early Andrew Blake. Blake&#8217;s &#8220;Secrets&#8221; and &#8220;House of Dreams&#8221; are eeie-beautiful. Try &#8220;Party Girls a Go Go&#8221; 1 &amp; 2&#8212; porn with a wicked sense of deadpan surreal style.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I much prefer the written word to film, and am an avid reader of all types of erotica I THINK I would like porn if I ever saw a good one - I never have - can anybody care to share what titles actually qualify as good ones?  What are your favorite pornos?  I&#039;m not talking about sexy R-rated stuff - actual XXX rated porn that actually has a plot, decent acting and of course, hot sex.  And since the author of this blog and the readers of it seem quite intelligent and enlightened,  I know you will be able to help. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I much prefer the written word to film, and am an avid reader of all types of erotica I THINK I would like porn if I ever saw a good one &#8211; I never have &#8211; can anybody care to share what titles actually qualify as good ones?  What are your favorite pornos?  I&#8217;m not talking about sexy R-rated stuff &#8211; actual XXX rated porn that actually has a plot, decent acting and of course, hot sex.  And since the author of this blog and the readers of it seem quite intelligent and enlightened,  I know you will be able to help. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Pornografía &#124; vivirsinplata.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pornografía &#124; vivirsinplata.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] muy especialmente de un tema tan tabú -sí, tabú- de nuestra sociedad. En una de sus entradas, &#8220;boys and pornography&#8221; (los chicos y la pornografía, en dos partes), escribe muy lúcidamente sobre el tema.Hace algún [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] muy especialmente de un tema tan tabú -sí, tabú- de nuestra sociedad. En una de sus entradas, &#8220;boys and pornography&#8221; (los chicos y la pornografía, en dos partes), escribe muy lúcidamente sobre el tema.Hace algún [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cheaplazymom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheaplazymom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 5 months late to this thread, but I think about this topic a lot.  I have three daughters and the pornographication of our culture bothers me.  Not because sex bothers me.  But for the very reasons suggested by the referenced article.  Kids learn about sex from pornography (I had Penthouse, Playboy, and Last Tango in Paris) -- todays kids have easy access to hard core videos on the web.  And what do they learn?  They learn that women don&#039;t have pubic hair.  That all girls want to get fucked hard up the ass.  That sex does not actually involve any touching other than dicks and cunts.  That kissing is for sissies. That nobody uses condoms.  That what constitutes a climax is a woman gratefully milking the cock that has fucked her for the past 20 minutes and rubbing cum all over her face.  Give me a break.  When did the human race become a bunch of humping Mexican hairless chihuauaus?  I had more interesting sex with my Barbies when I was 8.

The problem is if this is what you think sex is (or should be) then you play the part.  Girls especially. Most girls will do anything to be liked.  It&#039;s sad, but its true.  Where exactly are they going to learn that they don&#039;t have to do things they don&#039;t like?  That they can say, no thanks.  Certainly not from films, books, graphic novels, TV shows, Teen magazines, advertisements, and Myspace. &quot;Girl Power&quot; seems to be about being good at the Science Fair and having friends with benefits.  Everything says suck cock, fuck every which way and LIKE IT.  The implication is that if you do not, then there is something wrong with you.  It&#039;s easy to say that women should know what they want.  But that is naive.  At what point in the gang rape is the woman supposed to say &quot;You know guys, I&#039;m really not that into the group scene.&quot; And who exactly would be listening to her if she did say it?  Porn 101 seems to be that all women are sluts and they are grateful for rough treatment.

I want my daughters to love their bodies and learn when they are ready that they can give and receive pleasure. I want them to know that their sexuality is a very special gift that should only be given freely to people who will appreciate it.  I want them to know that they should listen to the voice inside them that tells them if something is good or bad, right or wrong. I want them to know that sex should be a two-way street and that their needs should be met.  I&#039;m not sure how I will do this.  But I do know that I will be working against a culture and media that think that a woman should be on her knees with cum all over her face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 5 months late to this thread, but I think about this topic a lot.  I have three daughters and the pornographication of our culture bothers me.  Not because sex bothers me.  But for the very reasons suggested by the referenced article.  Kids learn about sex from pornography (I had Penthouse, Playboy, and Last Tango in Paris) &#8212; todays kids have easy access to hard core videos on the web.  And what do they learn?  They learn that women don&#8217;t have pubic hair.  That all girls want to get fucked hard up the ass.  That sex does not actually involve any touching other than dicks and cunts.  That kissing is for sissies. That nobody uses condoms.  That what constitutes a climax is a woman gratefully milking the cock that has fucked her for the past 20 minutes and rubbing cum all over her face.  Give me a break.  When did the human race become a bunch of humping Mexican hairless chihuauaus?  I had more interesting sex with my Barbies when I was 8.</p>
<p>The problem is if this is what you think sex is (or should be) then you play the part.  Girls especially. Most girls will do anything to be liked.  It&#8217;s sad, but its true.  Where exactly are they going to learn that they don&#8217;t have to do things they don&#8217;t like?  That they can say, no thanks.  Certainly not from films, books, graphic novels, TV shows, Teen magazines, advertisements, and Myspace. &#8220;Girl Power&#8221; seems to be about being good at the Science Fair and having friends with benefits.  Everything says suck cock, fuck every which way and LIKE IT.  The implication is that if you do not, then there is something wrong with you.  It&#8217;s easy to say that women should know what they want.  But that is naive.  At what point in the gang rape is the woman supposed to say &#8220;You know guys, I&#8217;m really not that into the group scene.&#8221; And who exactly would be listening to her if she did say it?  Porn 101 seems to be that all women are sluts and they are grateful for rough treatment.</p>
<p>I want my daughters to love their bodies and learn when they are ready that they can give and receive pleasure. I want them to know that their sexuality is a very special gift that should only be given freely to people who will appreciate it.  I want them to know that they should listen to the voice inside them that tells them if something is good or bad, right or wrong. I want them to know that sex should be a two-way street and that their needs should be met.  I&#8217;m not sure how I will do this.  But I do know that I will be working against a culture and media that think that a woman should be on her knees with cum all over her face.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t watch much porn-- and what I do watch is all girl-girl or girl-solo. (Yes-- I make a point of never having porn with males in it: I&#039;ll admit to male gayness fear) But I do know that for me sex is far more about envisioning what&#039;s happening (who will it look if filmed? how would it be described in a novel?) rather than the physical act. The physical act can never compare to the act in imagination--- though that&#039;s true of every act, far and away beyond sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t watch much porn&#8211; and what I do watch is all girl-girl or girl-solo. (Yes&#8211; I make a point of never having porn with males in it: I&#8217;ll admit to male gayness fear) But I do know that for me sex is far more about envisioning what&#8217;s happening (who will it look if filmed? how would it be described in a novel?) rather than the physical act. The physical act can never compare to the act in imagination&#8212; though that&#8217;s true of every act, far and away beyond sex.</p>
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		<title>By: blazintommyd</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Porn is sexploitation. The issue is whether it works and why.

From my perspective nudity itself is erotic. I was allegorically lambasted by a group of nudists called &quot;Nudists for Bush&quot;. This was in the late 90s. I simply asked if it was alright to have a hard on at one of their nudist events and the person I was corresponding with essentially went apeshit and that was that.

So for most people a lot of it depends on how often you have your clothes on which for me is very seldom; and going beyond that point there is the erotic aspect - e.g., Playboy Magazine which I don&#039;t even look at any more used to depict nude women so unerotically that I never noticed they were nude.

Porno then is a sort of &#039;ok let&#039;s cut the shit and get right to the point we have product to sell&#039; - viz., it is erotic seeing people nude and fucking or sucking cock however it is very much the same in effect as how often you have your clothes on which is where the market is targeted and like pop music it sounds great the first time but wouldn&#039;t you rather listen to the album. Sometimes there&#039;s nothing there but sometimes you have The Beatles or the Rolling Stones &amp;c too.

Facials to me were invented as an evolutionary stage of the money shot

Everyone likes to see cum. I remember the first time I saw cum it put me in a dream trance. I didn&#039;t have jizz yet was with three older guys in this littlel shack on stilts out in upstate NY woods one summer and one of them just took off his clothes giggled jerked off and came for us. It was fabulous. I couldn&#039;t wait until I had jizz of my own

Most people are repressed in some way. I mean look at these &quot;Nudists for Bush&quot;. Younger men know that you just get a hard on every now and then it just happens so these people are essentially saying that you have to repress that which to me spells psychological impotence. So too, there is still a lot of Homophobia, racists are still trying to find their new slave to liberate as separate but equal, so to a degree almost any sort of porn is to some degree liberating.

Gay porn is probably more evolved than Hetero stuff simply because Heterosexuality devoid of procreation becomes  unnatural. Do you get pregnant from facials? So I think eventually the mainstream will be bisexual. 10 years from now guys holding hands making out in public &amp;c will be common in most places, unless John Edwards hires some new Billy Graham to re-establish born again traditional family values like Jimmy Cracker did

And if you honestly and openly look at it in the aforesaid light you will see that this is truly the culprit. Evolution works best when it&#039;s left alone ... for to allow pent up things to unravel and proceed in a new manner from that unraveled state

So the problem is sexual repression, this is not to say everyone ought to be promiscuous have anyone&#039;s baby try cock sucking and ass fucking and do it with anyone but merely to be accepting of what works for others or if you;re at a nudist camp merely say to yourself yep by golly that fella has a hard on, damn nice one too and now back to volleyball maye I&#039;ll ask him for a drink later

Personally I&#039;m an old fashioned type and I like things like sweet talk, cuddling, being devoted &amp;c. Those things deliver me to my best orgasms but I use porno for edging simply because so few people are into said traditional sweetheart aspects. Sex has become something like &#039;yeah everybody does it so I should too it&#039;s cool like money and Las Vegas&#039; and by said decadence sex is thus rendered meaningless.

So the remainder is the erotic aspect which is in actuality a temporary or transitory thing, it doesn&#039;t lead to anything and consequently one that comes to be involved in sex in this manner has to find new sensations, new flesh and new varieties of inputs in order to get off

Finally then the real issue has been around for a long time - viz are such products a reflection of what is or does it make what is -- this was used in the analysis of violence.

If you have dumb sexually repressed people they will learn from porn, no doubt, in fact this has been addressed in a documentary i believe is called &quot;Sex in the Cinema&quot; wherein Tony Curtis confesses - {p}&#039;this is where i learned how to act on dates&#039; ... the movies.
~~~~~~~  oXo&#9829;&#9829;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porn is sexploitation. The issue is whether it works and why.</p>
<p>From my perspective nudity itself is erotic. I was allegorically lambasted by a group of nudists called &#8220;Nudists for Bush&#8221;. This was in the late 90s. I simply asked if it was alright to have a hard on at one of their nudist events and the person I was corresponding with essentially went apeshit and that was that.</p>
<p>So for most people a lot of it depends on how often you have your clothes on which for me is very seldom; and going beyond that point there is the erotic aspect &#8211; e.g., Playboy Magazine which I don&#8217;t even look at any more used to depict nude women so unerotically that I never noticed they were nude.</p>
<p>Porno then is a sort of &#8216;ok let&#8217;s cut the shit and get right to the point we have product to sell&#8217; &#8211; viz., it is erotic seeing people nude and fucking or sucking cock however it is very much the same in effect as how often you have your clothes on which is where the market is targeted and like pop music it sounds great the first time but wouldn&#8217;t you rather listen to the album. Sometimes there&#8217;s nothing there but sometimes you have The Beatles or the Rolling Stones &amp;c too.</p>
<p>Facials to me were invented as an evolutionary stage of the money shot</p>
<p>Everyone likes to see cum. I remember the first time I saw cum it put me in a dream trance. I didn&#8217;t have jizz yet was with three older guys in this littlel shack on stilts out in upstate NY woods one summer and one of them just took off his clothes giggled jerked off and came for us. It was fabulous. I couldn&#8217;t wait until I had jizz of my own</p>
<p>Most people are repressed in some way. I mean look at these &#8220;Nudists for Bush&#8221;. Younger men know that you just get a hard on every now and then it just happens so these people are essentially saying that you have to repress that which to me spells psychological impotence. So too, there is still a lot of Homophobia, racists are still trying to find their new slave to liberate as separate but equal, so to a degree almost any sort of porn is to some degree liberating.</p>
<p>Gay porn is probably more evolved than Hetero stuff simply because Heterosexuality devoid of procreation becomes  unnatural. Do you get pregnant from facials? So I think eventually the mainstream will be bisexual. 10 years from now guys holding hands making out in public &amp;c will be common in most places, unless John Edwards hires some new Billy Graham to re-establish born again traditional family values like Jimmy Cracker did</p>
<p>And if you honestly and openly look at it in the aforesaid light you will see that this is truly the culprit. Evolution works best when it&#8217;s left alone &#8230; for to allow pent up things to unravel and proceed in a new manner from that unraveled state</p>
<p>So the problem is sexual repression, this is not to say everyone ought to be promiscuous have anyone&#8217;s baby try cock sucking and ass fucking and do it with anyone but merely to be accepting of what works for others or if you;re at a nudist camp merely say to yourself yep by golly that fella has a hard on, damn nice one too and now back to volleyball maye I&#8217;ll ask him for a drink later</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m an old fashioned type and I like things like sweet talk, cuddling, being devoted &amp;c. Those things deliver me to my best orgasms but I use porno for edging simply because so few people are into said traditional sweetheart aspects. Sex has become something like &#8216;yeah everybody does it so I should too it&#8217;s cool like money and Las Vegas&#8217; and by said decadence sex is thus rendered meaningless.</p>
<p>So the remainder is the erotic aspect which is in actuality a temporary or transitory thing, it doesn&#8217;t lead to anything and consequently one that comes to be involved in sex in this manner has to find new sensations, new flesh and new varieties of inputs in order to get off</p>
<p>Finally then the real issue has been around for a long time &#8211; viz are such products a reflection of what is or does it make what is &#8212; this was used in the analysis of violence.</p>
<p>If you have dumb sexually repressed people they will learn from porn, no doubt, in fact this has been addressed in a documentary i believe is called &#8220;Sex in the Cinema&#8221; wherein Tony Curtis confesses &#8211; {p}&#8217;this is where i learned how to act on dates&#8217; &#8230; the movies.<br />
~~~~~~~  oXo&hearts;&hearts;</p>
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